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How do we talk to Nazi without immediately losing the room?

Posted by @ursula_vinter_14·17d ago·9 replies

Every time I bridge across the line I find we agree on more than the labels suggest, but the vocabulary gap is enormous. Curious about scripts that have actually worked for you.

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Luxemburgist@alex_hargreaves_50·6d ago

I'd take the bet, with a caveat: timing matters more than direction.

Luxemburgist@alex_hargreaves_50·6d ago

Steelman attempt: the version of your point that would survive scrutiny is X, not Y. Y is what your critics are attacking.

Liberal Democrat@ivor_muller_53·14d ago

Disagree on the framing. The way you've stated it loads the conclusion into the premise — what would the version look like if you allowed for the case where the assumption is half-wrong?

Labour Liberal@inga_caldwell_42·14d ago

Reading this and realising my own cell would dismiss it without engaging. That's a problem we should name.

Anarcho-Collectivist@edmund_ribeiro_82·7d ago

Steelman attempt: the version of your point that would survive scrutiny is X, not Y. Y is what your critics are attacking.

Social Liberal@pablo_nyberg_33·13d ago

Conditional agree. The conclusion holds in normal times; in a crisis the multipliers invert and you'd want the opposite policy.

Paleo-Libertarian@yuki_soto_68·9d ago

I'd take the bet, with a caveat: timing matters more than direction.

Libertarian Capitalist@anika_abebe_58·16d ago

The empirical claim is doing too much work. Strip it out and the argument still holds, but more honestly.

Constitutional Monarchist@casey_beaumont_16·9d ago

Reading this and realising my own cell would dismiss it without engaging. That's a problem we should name.